Sunday, September 26, 2010

Official 3rd Gen Accord 1st Gen Integra Hybrid Transmission How-To

Parts List: 3rd gen Accord or post `86 2nd gen Prelude transmission bell housing. Si for a 2.0L style flywheel, or DX for a 1.8L style.
1st gen Integra (86-89) transmission

Optional:
Rebuild kit, Accord 5th gear assembly, Phantom Grip limited slip conversion.

I am going to assume that you have already removed the transmission from your car, your car was originally equipped with a 5speed, you have a haynes manual or other guide to help with the actual disassembly and reassebmly of the transmission, and you know how to reinstall the transmission. If not take a look at the other howto's.


Step 1. Clean you parts. Give both of your transmissions a quick cleaning to get all of the loose grease and crap off. They don’t need to be spotless, but you don’t want any of the crap to fall into the case when you reassemble the transmission.

Step 2. Disassemble the Accord transmission. Start with this transmission first, since you will only be using the bell housing a mistake here will be less costly. Its best to have a Haynes manual in front of you for this, they give good detailed instructions with pictures. Place all the parts off to the side where they won’t be confused with the Integra parts. Take the transmission completely apart (you don’t have to worry about removing the shift rod, but it makes cleaning easier).

Step 3. Disassemble the Integra transmission. It’s the same as the Accords, remember how the Accord transmission came apart and try to avoid any mistakes you made last time. Make note of how everything sat so you can put it back together. Parts, especially ones on the shafts, can’t be placed back in upside down.

Step 4. Inspect your parts. Take a look at all the parts you plan to use, make sure that they don’t show signs of excessive wear etc. It’s best to have someone with experience look at the parts. The Accord and Integra syncros are interchangeable.

Step 5. Clean your parts again. Clean out the inside of the case and all of the gears. Get all the metal shavings off the magnet, all the crap out of all the crevices, etc. Make sure that no crap has gotten into the gears, their bearings, or syncros. If you do remove the gears from the shafts make sure to remember exactly how they go back together, things won’t work right if they are upside down (make special note of the slider on the 3rd-4th syncro).

Step 6. Optional, install the phantom grip. If you plan on ever using a phantom grip or any other lsd, now is the time to install it else you’ll have to go through this again.

Step 7. Reassembling the transmission. If you have a rebuild kit use it. The bearings are pretty beefy and were still good even in my ‘85 transmission, but new ones give piece of mind. It goes back together the same way it came apart. Here’s a list of the parts you want to use.
  • Bell housing and shifting mechanism, Accord
  • Differential and ring gear, Integra
  • Main and counter shafts, Integra
  • Shift forks can come from either trans
Assemble the transmission to the point that you are ready to put the case on.

Step 8. Double-check your work. Look over everything. Make sure that all the gears line up. Make sure that when all the sliders are sitting in neutral that they are all at even heights where they meet the selector. Have someone one else with experience look at it too just to be sure. There is nothing like putting it all back in the car and then finding out you have no 4th gear or something else awry.

Step 9. Finish assembling the case. Make sure it’s free of oil and run a bead of rtv silicon around the mating surface of the case, smoothing it out with your finger. Place the transmission in 3rd gear (pull the shift rod strait out), this little trick makes it a whole lot easier to put the case back on. Slide the case over all the rods, don’t force it, just wiggle it around until it slides down into place. You should be able to use either the Accord or Integra case. I didn’t try the Accords, but the 85 Prelude case doesn’t work. Its best to use the Integra case though, as funstick mentioned when he saw it the oil holes are huge. It should help keep 5th gear alive. Put a few of the bolts in to hold the case down.

Step 10. More double-checking. Place the trans in every gear. Looking at the trans from the back turn the rod counter clockwise and pull it out for first, counter clockwise and push in for second, pull out strait for 3rd, push in strait for 4th, clockwise and pull out for 5th, and clockwise and push in for reverse. Make sure it goes into every gear. It will be hard to move the shaft esp. for reverse. Turn the input in every gear to make sure that every gear engages and turns, except 5th because you haven’t installed that one yet.

Step 11. Final assembly. Put the rest of the case bolts in and tighten them good (22 ft-lbs). Replace 5th gear. You can use either the Accord or the Integra 5th gear. I recommend the Accord 5th for cars that see a lot highway driving. Replace the nuts and torque them to 65ft-lbs. Don’t forget that the main shaft is reverse threaded, and make sure to lock each into the groove with a punch. Check one more time to be sure that 5th gear engages. Spread rtv around the mating surface and bolt on the end cover.

Cross refrence sheet
Code:
86 prelude     87 accord      87 integra
                   Carbed DX        LX-i        

Forks
1-2 shift fork  24221-PC8-920  24221-PC8-920  24221-PC8-920
3-4 shift fork  24211-PC8-J00  24211-PC8-J00  24211-PC8-J00
5th shift fork  24201-PB6-910  24201-PB6-910  24201-PB6-910
5th fork shaft  24271-PC8-930  24271-PC8-930   not listed

Differential
diff bearing    91005-PC9-008  91005-PC9-008  91005-PC9-008
diff houseing   41310-PC8-921  41310-PC8-621  41310-PG9-600
diff side gear  41221-PC8-912  41221-PC8-040  41221-PC8-040
diff pinion     41341-PC8-030  41221-PC8-030   not listed
pinion shaft    41321-P21-A00  41321-P21-A00  41321-P21-A00

Counter Shaft
shaft           23220-PC8-662  23220-PC8-671  23220-PG9-600
needle bearing  91101-PC8-J01  91101-PC8-J01  91101-PC8-J01
ball bearing    91004-PC8-J01  91004-PC8-J01  91004-PC8-J01
second bearing  91106-689-008  91106-689-008  91106-689-008
first bearing   91105-PB6-008  91105-PB6-008  91105-PB6-008
first gear      23421-PB6-010  23421-PB6-010  23421-PB6-010
second gear     23432-PC8-325  23432-PC8-J20  23432-PG9-305
third gear      23471-PC8-910  23471-PC8-J21  23471-PG9-600
fourth gear     23481-PC8-000  23481-PC8-J21  23481-PG9-600
fifth gear      23461-PC8-960  23461-PC8-J21  23461-PG9-600
3rd 4th spacer  23917-PB6-000  23917-PB6-000  23917-PB6-000

Main shaft
shaft           23211-PC8-962  23211-PC8-J21  23211-PG9-010
ball bearing    91002-PC8-J02  91002-PC8-J02  91002-PC8-J02
needle bearing  91103-PC8-018  91103-PC8-J01  91103-PC8-J01
third bearing   91104-634-008  91104-634-008  91104-634-008
fourth bearing  91104-634-008  91104-634-008  91104-634-008 
fifth bearing   91104-634-008  91104-634-008  91104-634-008
third gear      23442-PC8-315  23442-PC8-J20  23442-PG9-305
fourth gear     23451-PC8-000  23451-PC8-J21  23451-PG9-600
fifth gear      23581-PC8-960  23581-PC8-J21  23581-PG9-600

Reverse
idler gear      23540-PC8-J01  23540-PC8-J01  23540-PC8-J01
                23540-PC8-000  (2 parts listed for lude)  
shaft           23261-PC8-000  23261-PC8-000  23261-PC8-000

Personal notes:

If you can avoid it, don't use an 85 Prelude trans. Its possible, everything works if you use all of the Integra parts. If you’re doing this for a carbed Prelude or 2g Accord use the 86. The case of the 85 is shorter as are the 3rd/4th shift fork and the 5ht shift fork and the needle bearing in the bell housing is smaller. The Integra diff should work fine with the accord. I have one of each and I can't tell the difference. Remember that I have the smaller gen2 axles so I used the gen2 dif with the Integra ring gear. A phantom grip requires a break in period of 60 miles or so, that isn’t mention that in the instructions. Other then that the phantom grip is a breeze to install. This isn’t something for a beginner; I had trouble with it and I have a bit of expierence (not with transmissions though). If you go for it and are unsure of yourself make sure you have a back up plan just incase something doesn’t go right. This is something that you’re going to spend the better part of a weekend doing. If you plan to rebuild make sure that you have access to bearing pullers. Make sure you have the manual, you're going to need it. __________________